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HiTekHick
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 5:09 am    Post subject: Come on, Whiteswan.... Bleet for me! Reply with quote

I'm getting so sick and tired of seeing people say that EU is so much better than US. If they don't like it, just go to EU. I realized I couldn't post this anywhere but in a flame forum. *sigh* Sad thing is, I may find myself checking out the EU server too.

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Bring in EU Rules of Conduct/Bring back the respect......

baaaaa
Wow... I feel an itchen for some thorn luffin action. ;) To slowly work her shields down - nice and easy. Then the armor... oooo... Yeah babe, you know what I like... And finally *pop*! Yeah...I think sheep need luffin too. :evil: That's it!!! Bleet for me!

By the way, say another word about how we need to be like EU, I may just have to come and give ya some real luffin. You know I like ya girl, but sheesh, stop talking about how someplace else is better - if you think it is better, go there.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmmm...well, it IS better for a couple of things but other than that couple of things, they've got the same griefing/whining/squadcatfights as we do. always have. (they even had GM_Viper quit [again] over the disgusting quakeinspace mentality)

you know what the stereotype is?
  1. US server is individualistic and uncooperative
  2. EU server is community-wise and cooperative
The couple of things is jgrp.net and the fact that the GMs have 6 more months experience than Themis so they understand stuff like economy (at least what they can do about it like eliminate production from non-primary stations)

Not to mention they slow the pace of patch goodies via FM's (roleplaying)
    "forcing" people to gain some satisfaction and continuity by building the new toys instead of having a US server silver platter...relatively speaking, of course
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, funny. I always seem to disagree with WhiteSwan then.

The Rules of Conduct at EU, while in general a good idea, often backfire in my opinion. You do it once, you have to do it everytime. I assume they get swamped with griefing claims all the time, got to wade through tons of logs to find out who's lying and who's not, etc. etc. Lots of time lost. I'd prefer the US way of letting the players handle it themselves.

On the other side, he repeatedly criticized the EU econ as being bad, like here, claiming it having "no economy". Incidentally, that's one thing where I think that EU is better than US, because at EU, a trader (and also the miners) at least have to do something. If I played on US, I think I'd have lost interest in the game by now (being an econ guy), because econ just for the sake of making money would not really appeal to me. So, I guess it all comes down to the personal preferences.

(Edit: weird typo)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah right, they stopped all production of iron all over...which means the only iron they get is through mining. (it's working fine too)
    seriously thinking of moving to EU for the economy tweaks alone. me also being an econ guy. (plus i do like the delayed patch goodies via FMs...job satisfaction. we ARE playing the T.R.I., are we not?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, I read a lot of rumors on the US thread, though.

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On the EU server they take away a level also 30% of your cash and experiance for doing that.


Nope. Only when found guilty of griefing. And the rules are quite wide to allow CIVripping without falling into the MG definition of "griefing". See next point.

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they ban on EU for defending against bounty hunters? ND, please revoke MG's license to publish JG. They obviously don't get it.


Certainly not. The rules that define "griefing" are quite wide. Heck, it's sufficient if you "declare war" on someone and you can CIVrip them to hell without getting banned.

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Someone told me today 7of9 got banned for a day on EU, and eventually permanently?


Someone told who heard that ...

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PS they also have banned people for fighting fights that they thought were dishonourable(I heard of one where a guy took down 2 HG intensities and was banned), or sent in OPs(players they let fly uber ships) to sort it out for them


"I heard of one" where "a guy" ... yeah, right. One would think the forums on EU would go down in flames if Sentients were sent in to sort out wars between squads, right?

Short conclusion: Always treat stuff one hears with a grain of salt. Especially when they just report of things they got told from someone who learned what happened to an unnamed "guy". ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

link? don't tease muffy like this...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

US thread I was citing.

MG's griefing rules. Notable points I cited:

Civ ripping:

  • Is not griefkilling if the pilot being ripped is under WAR status.
  • Is not griefkilling if the pilot tried to collect a bounty and failed, thus ending up dead.
  • Is not griefkilling if a warning / PoD has been issued and the pilot refuses to comply.


Towkilling


  • Is not griefkilling if the tow being ripped is under WAR status. Everyone can hire escorts or get their squadmates to go along with them.


Eh, and I expect the EU POD rules being misunderstood soon.

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In general PoDs are limited to a reference value of 250,000 credits when taking place in regulated space. This value may only be exceeded should IC requirements demand it.


Unreg is free from whatever. If you see a tow loaded with Insties, it's certainly a special IC requirement. An arty tow is certainly a special IC requirement too. It was realized by the players who really read it that the 250k are a loose guide. Not set in stone. Just some thing to orient yourself at. (Nor will one be banned for PODs that are too high, as can be read there.)

Hm, why am I posting all this? I get sometimes a little pissed when reading lots of false rumors about EU. While US players can easily get an EU forum account, it's hard/impossible for EU players to rebuff right at the thread in the US board when they wanted to.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks. and who cares about the US whiners. they're all FAGS anyways.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thread made me really mad. Anyone who thinks that you get banned on EU for a couple of civrips needs a damn good slapping. What was really frustrating was that I couldn't bloody well reply because the ND &*^&s have locked the forum to subscribers only.

She'll never go to EU because she can't use her little econ exploit there.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, weird rumors about EU are quite common on te US forum, Nicator. Really frustrating sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I know, I regularly browse those forums too. Sometimes I think I look at too many eek .
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2002 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't browse the EU forums, and am too scared to try the ping to EU ;)

In anycase, thanks for the clarifications. I'll keep this link handy for the next discussion on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2002 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have to agree with Kami. Thanks for setting the record straight, guys. Unfortunately there are people out there that will not believe this and will not go to EU either for a first-hand look and keep saying the same stuff over and over again. *sigh*

I hate ignorant people that turn stupid for whatever reason. Ignorance is ok - you can't know everything, but not checking out the facts for yourself makes you stupid if you keep commenting on a subject. (Muffy uses a different word for it, I think :razz:)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah. i use it in my parodies of squad hissy fits. "Counter-Counter Semantic Clarification" (CCSC)
    clearly states in my forum rules of conduct it'll not only get your ass banned, but turned into a laffin stock too
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HiTek: your not the only one eyeing the EU server, Both Hurricane and I took a look at the EU webtracker this evening and started drooling.....shortages of EVERYTHING..........A trucker's dream
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no.
Shortages of everything yes.
How much truckers can actually do about it - at the moment not much.

Amamanth has been hit on the head multiple times, and on EU at least its the sole producer of electronics, ram, matter converters, cesium& antimony.
Cesium is needed to make gravs, antimony is needed to make prosthetic organs.

That means that an aman shutdown is capable of totally preventing the production of all the commodities worth 100K or more with the exceptions of laser components and magnetics.

But yes - i eagerly anticipate the damn sols get their faction mission completed for them.

Its certainly not like US where theres 2000 of everything everywhere and as a trucker you have to ponder the meaning and point of your existance.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shortage situation on the EU server is beginning to get a bit nasty as regards aman-dependent items - particularly duelists, flashfires, ammo weapons and missiles. It's got to the point where OP doesn't even have sledges anymore, let alone anything useful :P.

While large squads like OV have copius amounts of space for items we suspect may get hit soon (Lupus, our supply officer is a diamond for spotting upcoming shortages), smaller squads have been very badly hit. Even some of the large squads are beginning to run out of duelies and FFs now. Ammo weapons have been selling for 3 times their normal price, and I saw a flashfire sell for 300k the other day.

If anyone feels like stocking OP against the constant onslaught of strippers, losses, and so on, we'd welcome them to the EU server with open arms :).

The alu bug is also in evidence due to the bugged decay code. While a workaround to make alu produce has been found, it requires two alu based products to be on station (they aren't used, they just need to be there). Unfortunately, with the bugged cargo missions.....You get the idea =).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acutually, the cargo missions will not suggest the removal of either of the two aluminium "ingredients" (Composites, RF Transceivers) since they aren't produced locally.

The problem is the complete absence of RF Transceivers due to the absence of Electronics due to the absence of Amananth production due to the not-doing of the Solrain FMs while Quant and Oct were finished weeks ago.

Hm, well, I figure, eventually the two Solrain FMs will get done, and then we're back on track. Until then, the situation is at least interesting. :) (Duelists can still be made, but with a lot of efforts due to the Wake production of Electronics. But Flashfires are a no-go unless you have some stored or a willing to pay the black market prices.)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll get right on it! wtg

*Hops into the Quant LM and single-handed takes control of the Alum problem.* tired

Too bad I'm busy trying to make things better for all (aka: testing). *sigh* :headbang:

If I was to do this, I would need a tow standing by at Corridor waiting for me to dump my ore. help

Dang...where did the flame go out of this thread? :poke:
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right - it's not a problem any more with the "fixed" cargo missions. However, according to our resident econ guy Lupus the old cargo missions meant that everything we'd hauled in to get alu production working kept getting hauled away by muppets with cargo missions :headbang: .

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Eh, and I expect the EU POD rules being misunderstood soon.


Hmm. Maybe we should start calling you Psychic Xindaan, the next Prophet :D.

http://forum.mightygames.com/showthread.php?s=4b75080f676f93f5fddc805cf1f397db&threadid=9671
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This new thread is interesting. Especially the later comment of the disgruntled ex-EUler (I figure an ex TDP guy). Also pondering the EU replies to it. Oh well, I trust that at least some folks reading the US boards will use their own brain (hard econ = carebear, easy BPC/farming econ = ultra tough, apparently. Right.)
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